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US Ukraine regime change official in 2014 didn’t want Klitschko in Ukraine government, instead said, “Yats is the guy” for Ukraine Prime Minister-BBC transcript, 2014 Nuland-Pyatt discussion…Klitschko’s 3 kids are US citizens-LA Times

October 9, 2019

US official Nuland in 2014 ruled out Klitschko for Ukraine’s first post-coup prime minister, instead deciding Yats is the guy.Ms. Nuland on Klitschko: “I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea. Leaked remarks likely took place in Jan. 2014...Klitschko’s 3 children are US citizens: The Klitschkos’ company, K2 Promotions, has an office in Marina del Rey. Vitali just turned 40. He has lived part time in Bel-Air [Los Angeles area] for years and planned the births of his three children here, so they would become American citizens.”…7/22/2011, “Klitschko vs. Klitschko isn’t going to happen,“ LA Times, Bill Dwyre….Klitschko was first elected Mayor of Kiev in May 2014, was re-elected in  Nov. 2015, and says he’ll run again in 2019….Vitaliy Klitschko, Mayor of Kiev, Ukraine, is a member of US regime change group IRI’s International Advisory Council…McCain chaired IRI for 25 years.…12/16/2013, BBC: Klitschko, who is very pro-EU and plans to run for president in 2015, has been prominent in the [Ukraine] protests.”….As usual, US regime change made things even worse: Ukraine protesters are gripped with a profound sense of shock” that their revolution” calling for overhaul of elite corruption has yielded the reverse, a worse oligarch and worse elite corruption in which oligarchs still control 80-85% of Ukraine GDP....4/302015…”Ukraine: Insider Oligarchs Derail Maidan Revolution”

Image: Ukraine, Early Feb., 2014, Klitschko, left, with US organizers of Ukraine coup d’etat, Ms. Nuland and Mr. Pyatt. along with Ukraine’s “Yats,” Arseny Yatsenyuk, right. US chose “Yats” (Yats is the guy”over Klitschko to be US puppet prime minister for post-coup Ukraine government.

2/7/2014, Ukraine crisis: Transcript of leaked Nuland-Pyatt call, BBC

An apparently bugged phone conversation in which a senior US diplomat disparages the EU over the Ukraine crisis has been posted online. The alleged conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and the US Ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, appeared on YouTube on Thursday [Feb. 4, 2014]. It is not clearly when the alleged conversation took place.

Here is a transcript, with analysis by BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus:…Jonathan Marcus: At the outset it should be clear that this is a fragment of what may well be a larger phone conversation. But the US has not denied its veracity. Warning: This transcript contains swearing.

[Image: 12/14/2013, Kiev, “US Senator John McCain (R) speaks with Ukrainian opposition leaders Vitaly Klitschko, Arseny Yatsenyuk and Oleg Tyagnibok Credit: Reuters]

 

 

Voice thought to be Nuland’s: What do you think?

Voice thought to be Pyatt’s: I think we’re in play. The Klitschko [Vitaly Klitschko, one of three main [pro-US coup] opposition leaders] piece is obviously the complicated electron here. Especially the announcement of him [Klitschko] as deputy prime minister and you’ve seen some of my notes on the troubles in the marriage right now so we’re trying to get a read really fast on where he is on this stuff. But I think your argument to him, which you’ll need to make, I think that’s the next phone call you want to set up, is exactly the one you made to Yats [Arseniy Yatseniuk, another opposition leader]. And I’m glad you sort of put him on the spot on where he fits in this scenario. And I’m very glad that he said what he said in response.

[Jonathan Marcus: The US says that it is working with all sides in the crisis to reach a peaceful solution, noting that “ultimately it is up to the Ukrainian people to decide their future”. However this transcript suggests that the US has very clear ideas about what the outcome should be and is striving to achieve these goals.Washington clearly has its own game-plan.]

Nuland: Good. I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary, I don’t think it’s a good idea.

Pyatt: Yeah. I guess in terms of him not going into the government, just let him stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I’m just thinking in terms of sort of the process moving ahead we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok [Oleh Tyahnybok, the other opposition leader] and his guys and I’m sure that’s part of what [President Viktor] Yanukovych is calculating on all this.

Nuland: [Breaks in] I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the… what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in… he’s going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it’s just not going to work.

Pyatt: Yeah, no, I think that’s right. OK. Good. Do you want us to set up a call with him as the next step?

Nuland: My understanding from that call – but you tell me – was that the big three [Yats, Klitschko, and Tyahnybok] were going into their own meeting and that Yats was going to offer in that context a…three-plus-one conversation or three-plus-two with you. Is that not how you understood it?

Pyatt: No. I think… I mean that’s what he proposed but I think, just knowing the dynamic that’s been with them where Klitschko has been the top dog, he’s going to take a while to show up for whatever meeting they’ve got and he’s probably talking to his guys at this point, so I think you reaching out directly to him helps with the personality management among the three and it gives you also a chance to move fast on all this stuff and put us behind it before they all sit down and he explains why he doesn’t like it.

Nuland: OK, good. I’m happy. Why don’t you reach out to him and see if he wants to talk before or after.

Pyatt: OK, will do. Thanks.

Nuland: OK… one more wrinkle for you Geoff. [A click can be heard] I can’t remember if I told you this, or if I only told Washington this, that when I talked to Jeff Feltman [United Nations Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs] this morning, he had a new name for the UN guy Robert Serry did I write you that this morning?

[Jonathan Marcus:…Various officials attempting to marshal the Ukrainian [pro-US coup] opposition; efforts to get the UN to play an active role in bolstering a deal; and (as you can see below) the big guns waiting in the wings – US Vice-President Joe Biden clearly being lined up to give private words of encouragement at the appropriate moment.]

Pyatt: Yeah I saw that.

Nuland: OK. He’s now gotten both Serry and [UN Secretary General] Ban Ki-moon to agree that Serry could come in Monday or Tuesday. So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and to have the UN help glue it and, you know, Fuck the EU.

[Jonathan Marcus:The EU is divided and to some extent hesitant about picking a fight with Moscow….But the US clearly is determined to take a much more activist role.]

Pyatt: No, exactly. And I think we’ve got to do something to make it stick together….So let me work on Klitschko and if you can just keep… we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing….

Nuland: So on that piece Geoff, when I wrote the note [US vice-president’s [Biden] national security adviser Jake] Sullivan’s come back to me VFR [direct to me], saying you need [US Vice-President Joe] Biden and I said probably tomorrow for an atta-boy and to get the deets [details] to stick. So Biden’s willing.

Pyatt: OK. Great. Thanks.”

[Jonathan Marcus:…The US is clearly much more involved in trying to broker a deal in Ukraine than it publicly lets on. There is some embarrassment too for the Americans given the ease with which their communications were hacked [or leaked]….]

 

 

 

 

 

Above, 12/15/2013, Kiev, Ukraine, McCain shares stage at anti-government protest with Klitschko and others in Maidan square. Though McCain’s presence at the regime change protest wasn’t on behalf of the US government, he told the crowd, “America stands with you.”at :35 on CNN video

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Added: What “revolution?In 2014 new US puppet Ukraine Prime Minister “Yats,” Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk, immediately reached out to Ukraine oligarchs to give them more control of government (you know, to keep things stable, sorry, can’t change now, don’t forget Russia and all). Thousands in Ukraine braved the cold for months, heard speeches about democracy, but “regime change” has only solidified stranglehold of oligarchs. Those who thought McCain or any US government personnel cared about them deserve what they got.

3/2/2014, “Ukraine Turns to Its Oligarchs for Political Help, NY Times, Andrew E. Kramer, Kiev, Ukraine

“The interim government…is recruiting the country’s wealthy businessmen, known as the oligarchs, to serve as governors of the eastern provinces.

The strategy, which Ukrainian news media are attributing to [oligarch] Yulia V. Tymoshenko, a former prime minister and party leader, is recognition that the oligarchs represent the country’s industrial and business elite, and exercise great influence over thousands of workers in the east….

Ms. Tymoshenko, who met late Saturday with Mr. Turchynov and the prime minister, Arseniy P. Yatsenyuk,[Yats is the guy”], who are both members of the Fatherland party that she leads, is a savvy operative in Ukrainian politics and was a wealthy businesswoman before entering politics in the late 1990s….

After the meeting, the [post-regime change] government began asking the oligarchs to take the positions in the regional governments….

The ultra-wealthy industrialists wield such power in Ukraine that they form what amounts to a shadow government, with empires of steel and coal, telecoms and media, and armies of workers. Persuading some to serve as governors in the east was a small victory for the new government in Kiev. [Right, installing oligarchs is a “victory,” great job].

“The government is doing what it can to avoid provoking [so government has no choice, it has to keep status quo, only difference is US puppet Yats is in charge] any internal divisions,” Steven Pifer, a former American ambassador to Ukraine who is now at the Brookings Institution, said in a telephone interview. They need people who have credibility in eastern Ukraine. The risk is this will be seen as business as usual by putting wealthy people in government. That has been part of the problem for the past 22 years.””...

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